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>> Dan Huot: Everybody,
Dan Huot here.

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Still in the Space
Vehicle Mock Up Facility.

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I'm back at the Orion capsules.

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So continuing their crew
egress fully suited runs.

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Doing some tests on a lot
of the systems inside.

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Joining me now is
Dustin Gohemert.

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He's the crew survival
system's manager here overseeing

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the tests.

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First off, thanks for
breaking away for a few minutes

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from the test and coming
over the talk to me.

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Now, Crew Survival Systems
Manager, you're looking

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over everything that's
keeping the crew alive inside

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this thing.

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>> Dustin Gohemert:
That's pretty much correct.

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So everything that the crew
touches, wears, does, sits on,

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interacts with that keeps them
alive in normal situations

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and emergencies we work on.

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So, our main hardware that's
easy to speak of is the seats.

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The crew survival equipment
that they would use.

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So this includes things
like the life rafts

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or their life preserver
units or even things

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like signal flares they would
carry with them post egress.

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And then also the space
suits which would be used

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in particular contingencies

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for cabin emergencies
and space vacuum.

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>> Dan Huot: Okay.

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So, we had talked to Jeff
Fox a little bit earlier

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about the seats.

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They're changing the
seating arrangement up

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and a lot of things like that.

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Now, as Crew Safety, what's
your involvement with the seats?

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What are you guys looking at
what are you concerned about?

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>> Dustin Gohemert:
So, specifically,

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our group is involved in the
design of the seat itself.

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Which you can't design the seat
without having some knowledge

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of it's interaction
with the vehicle.

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And so we're here today looking

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at how the vehicle is placing
the seats within itself

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or how we're placing the seats
within the vehicle spacing

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to understand what design
tweaks we need to make

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to keep the crew safe.

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How the acceleration
loads that are imparted

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on the vehicle will be
transferred to the crew

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so we can properly design
it for their safety.

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In addition to that, we're
also looking specifically today

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when we design it for landing
safety we can't only consider

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that, we have to look at the
entire breath of the scenario.

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So, post landing egress
if there's an emergency

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for example, how do think get
out of those seats to get away

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from the emergency scenario?

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So, we don't want to solve one
problem and induce another,

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and that's why we do
as many tests as we do.

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>> Dan Huot: Okay.

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And one thing that we
learned earlier was the fact

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that the crew is fully suited.

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I mean, that's a
pretty special occasion

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for a lot of these test guys.

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What kind of suits are
they wearing today?

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They look very familiar.

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>> Dustin Gohemert: They
should look familiar.

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They're either specifically
from the Shuttle Program

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or modified versions of the
advanced crew escape suit

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that we use in the
Shuttle Program.

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And we are very fortunate

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when the Shuttle Program ended
our team inherited all the suits

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that we flew in the
Shuttle Program,

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and we're actually working
to repurpose them for Orion

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so the shell of them
is very much the same.

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And to a casual user, you may
not even know the difference,

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but internally we
modified them to work

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with plumbing that's inside
Orion to provide them air.

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It's very different than
it was in the shuttle

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>> Dan Huot: And we got
some video of Rex Walheim

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in the Neutral Buoyancy
Laboratory testing

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out one of these suits.

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Now, during the shuttle
days, this was kind

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of just a launch and entry suit.

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What are some of the things
that's being designed for it

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to be potentially used in Orion?

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>> Dustin Gohemert: Well,
it's primary purpose still is

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that of a launch and entry suit.

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And when you talk about
a launch/entry suit,

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our big factor is keeping the
suit as a fully soft suit,

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so that the interface
between the person

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and the seat is non
injurious in landing in fact.

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But what we're trying to expand
it to in Orion is contingency

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and maybe even beyond
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for limited capacity extra
vehicular activity so think

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about today we use
the white EMU.

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The extra vehicular
mobility unit.

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>> Dan Huot: Very big.

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>> Dustin Gohemert: Very big.

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That suit is as big as
it is because it has lots

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of rigid mobility joints.

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This suit doesn't.

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Again, because it's designed
primarily for launch and entry.

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But what we're trying to do is
learn a little bit more how we

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can effectively use it for EVAs
and really what it goes back

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to is more like the
days of Gemini

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when we were first learning,
and that suit that Ed White wore

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for example is say the
first cousin to this suit.

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Very, very similar construction.

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And so we're stepping back to
some of our heritage to be able

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to use one suit for
multiple tasks.

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>> Dan Huot: Are there any
specific upgrades you're

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building into this suit?

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>> Dustin Gohemert: We are.

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We're trying we don't want
to limit ourselves any more

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than we have to so there
are certain design features

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that we're considering
adding to this suit.

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The testing you spoke of
at the Neutral Buoyancy Lab

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with Rex Walheim is an example.

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We're learning what features
we need to add to the suit

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to enhance it's mobility.

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That test was just a first cut.

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Here's the baseline suit.

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Yeah, let's learn
how it performs.

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In future tests we'll be
performing over the summer,

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we'll be adding things
like enhanced gloves,

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enhanced mobility, elbows
and perhaps even bearing

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in the lower arms to enhance
flexibility of that joint.

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All the while keeping in
mind how does this suit have

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to keep it's heritage for
launch and entry safety.

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So none of the things that
we add can compromise a safe

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landing because we have to
launch and land every time

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and EVA may be a more rare case.

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>> Dan Huot: Yep.

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>> Dustin Gohemert: It's
a balancing act for us.

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>> Dan Huot: Okay.

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Well just some of the more
exciting upgrades coming

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out of the Orion program
not just the vehicle,

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but the suits themselves
the astronauts will be in.

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Dustin thanks so much for
again taking a few minutes and